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May 11, 6:15 AM
#51
Interesting seeing Yang Cheng gradually becoming the new E-soul replacing the old E-soul. Even without the mask he still is E-soul. Was interesting seeing Enlightener again. I guess this is the past. I wonder as we go back in time will we get more of him too? Like imagine if he appears in every hero's backstory? that would be funny. Also damn this show loves those death cliffhangers. RIP Shang Chao. If he's really dead I think everyone owes him an apology. He might've really been just a good guy? that wanted to start a hero business. Still who else could've and would want to kidnap that little kid? Now that he's dead though it's going to be lot tougher for Yang Cheng since Shang Chao was like super carrying the whole marketing business management side. |
RexnihiloMay 11, 7:09 AM
May 11, 6:54 AM
#52
i have no idea how to feel about shang chao still. great episode though, they went hard with the slow mo at the end too. |
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May 11, 7:23 AM
#53
Reply to JAWZ2003
That was really stupid at the end. They show e soul speeding up looking like he could intercept or at least almost intercept. Then you hear two gunshots while e soul is standing still. Next cut e soul gets there at the same time as the girl?
I know it’s nit picking but that kind of just made the scene had no believability to me.
I know it’s nit picking but that kind of just made the scene had no believability to me.
@JAWZ2003 Not sure if anyone else has said this, but it's my current personal theory that he let Shang Chao die. From what we've seen, he definitely could've made it, and I doubt saving a life would go against what his fans want him to do. Additionally, when considering the possibility that he kills Moon eventually, it's possible that he's not quite as heroic as portrayed. Whether consciously or unconsciously, perhaps some part of him wanted Shang Chao dead, over something as simple as wanting to be with Xia Qing - especially when considering the fact Chao asked her out, and she said "not yet." As for why he may be such a character, I'm guessing the effects of having no trust factor - we saw in his flashback in the interrogation room that he's been excluded for a lot of his life, and that he is an outsider, with no trust factor being exceptionally rare. It's possible he's treating others as they've treated him - not trusting them, not even Shang Chao who was helping him out so much. Maybe Qing was the only person he "trusted" or believed could trust him on an individual level, and Chao was an obstacle? Either that, or the rain somehow had an effect on his power, seeing as it's electric based. |
May 11, 7:24 AM
#54
HAOLIN YOU PSYCHO All I gotta say. What an Episode. |
May 11, 7:26 AM
#55
Reply to roppuri
@Moijer9869 Don't think so, after he got the power of "E-soul" from Pomelo, he electrocutting everyone, he shakes hands with children and electrocutting them too, it's not because of costume.
@roppuri Yeah, also, Shang Chao states that one advantage Yang Cheng has over the original E-Soul is that Cheng is "still E-Soul without the mask." He's already been shown as the man behind E-Soul, so he should definitely be able to take full advantage of his powers, mask or no mask. |
May 11, 8:02 AM
#56
Yet another interesting theme discussed here. In the beginning I compared this show to Tiger&Bunny, but it gets beyond with exploring stuff like superhero copyright infringement and battles meant for the courtroom not for the crime infested streets. Also the Enlighter strikes again...I mean in chronological order he strikes for the first time in the story. I can't get enough from this smug bastard, so much fun! |
May 11, 8:09 AM
#57
The new suit that Shang Chao was preparing for Yang Cheng looks like the same one E-Soul used when he killed Xiao Yueqinq, so it really is New E-Soul, not the Old E-Soul, who killed her. |
May 11, 9:48 AM
#58
I think the trick to watching this show is to never get attached to character... had me me really liking shang chao and then you kill him off? my heart broke.. but I really love yang cheng as a character so I wonder how this will affect him next ep, also makes me think about moon dying kinda in a similar way and if he really 'killed' her |
May 11, 11:34 AM
#61
Lol. Can a single show make a trope out of ending episodes with seemingly dead friends? |
May 11, 11:49 AM
#62
Imagine being E-soul your whole life, legacy, name, and the fans you built up—overtaken by someone you don't even know and didn't willingly it down to nice was an exception coz he was fed up with it RIP shang chao and moon *if real esoul is actually a good guy I'll be sad... hoping for a good conclusion |
May 11, 12:24 PM
#63
i dunno what to think, i really like this show but they're really pushing it with the death cliffhangers |
May 11, 1:51 PM
#64
So it seems this arc takes place before the Lin Ling/Nice arc, as the "journalist" who's always digging for the truth is still there, and the statue that was destroyed earlier is still in one piece here. I'm curious to see how this season will wrap up from a timeline perspective |
May 11, 2:00 PM
#65
Reply to NirvashX1
so when will we get back our MC mr nice ??
@NirvashX1 Nice or Lin Ling aka the Commoner cuz if it's Lin then prob at the end of s1 |
May 11, 4:22 PM
#66
It was so obvious someone was dying at the end but come on bro is E-Soul, ain't no way he's not making that save. At least have him bip'd out of their sight... |
May 11, 6:00 PM
#67
May 11, 6:02 PM
#68
I wonder if the color symbolism means anything, with her being green and the two love interests being made of the composite colors blue and yellow. |
May 11, 6:12 PM
#69
Reply to roppuri
@FlamingMangos Ikr? they can just showing him dead already (aka being shot offscreen) but the way they show it is so illogical
another point that looking at eps4 E-soul can literally shot lightning beam to Moon's head, why can't YC do that?
another point that looking at eps4 E-soul can literally shot lightning beam to Moon's head, why can't YC do that?
@roppuri You are right that it does seem illogical. But the lesson we have all learned from Link Click season 2 is that Li Haoling likes to deceive the viewers about the events shown on screen. There is a reason why after Yang Chang started to blitz towards the killer / Shang Chao that the scene switches over to Shang Chao being dead on the floor. I can be wrong but my theory is: Shang Chao's killer was the original E-Soul. Since Yang Chang only has a fraction of OG E-Souls power, technically OG E-Soul is faster than him and can shoot and get away from Yang Chang even when he is blitzing As to your comment about Yang Cheng being able to shoot lightning bolts...that version of E-Soul is in the future where he is the number 9th hero and is a lot more powerful. Ep 6 takes place 5 or 6 years in the past, Yang Cheng only has about 1% of OG E-Soul's power. In Ep 5 and 6, he is only shown being able to run fast, charge his punch with electricity and imbue things with static charges. But he technically hasn't thrown any electric beams at anyone yet. |
May 11, 8:31 PM
#70
This episode didn't really have me sitting on the edge of my seat or anything. Also since we've seen the episode 4 ending, the ending of this episode didn't have the same shock factor. |
May 11, 9:35 PM
#71
Reply to DonghuaFan
@roppuri You are right that it does seem illogical. But the lesson we have all learned from Link Click season 2 is that Li Haoling likes to deceive the viewers about the events shown on screen. There is a reason why after Yang Chang started to blitz towards the killer / Shang Chao that the scene switches over to Shang Chao being dead on the floor. I can be wrong but my theory is:
Shang Chao's killer was the original E-Soul. Since Yang Chang only has a fraction of OG E-Souls power, technically OG E-Soul is faster than him and can shoot and get away from Yang Chang even when he is blitzing
As to your comment about Yang Cheng being able to shoot lightning bolts...that version of E-Soul is in the future where he is the number 9th hero and is a lot more powerful. Ep 6 takes place 5 or 6 years in the past, Yang Cheng only has about 1% of OG E-Soul's power. In Ep 5 and 6, he is only shown being able to run fast, charge his punch with electricity and imbue things with static charges. But he technically hasn't thrown any electric beams at anyone yet.
Shang Chao's killer was the original E-Soul. Since Yang Chang only has a fraction of OG E-Souls power, technically OG E-Soul is faster than him and can shoot and get away from Yang Chang even when he is blitzing
As to your comment about Yang Cheng being able to shoot lightning bolts...that version of E-Soul is in the future where he is the number 9th hero and is a lot more powerful. Ep 6 takes place 5 or 6 years in the past, Yang Cheng only has about 1% of OG E-Soul's power. In Ep 5 and 6, he is only shown being able to run fast, charge his punch with electricity and imbue things with static charges. But he technically hasn't thrown any electric beams at anyone yet.
@DonghuaFan I feel like this is just me being nitpicky over how avoidable SC's death and the whole "i see everything" drama is uneeded but the point is he's really dead anyway lol, there is post that said it maybe that YC instinctively let SC died too. Valid points about Haoling. I have this kind of thought because of how agressive YC in dueling OldE-Soul in eps preview but im not sure of how OldE-Soul know about Pomelo or why he want to kidnap Pomelo (Pomelo stays with YC is just coincidence timing with the thug acts) the thug that kidnap Pomelo and killed SC are the same... Enlighter said that the origin of the phone that hire the thug is encrypted, so it can be anyone rich. Also how OldE-Soul being so ive to everything also bugs me, even before YC strikes, he seems to be not as ionate as the tale shows him to be, the manager pushing him to speak more, meanwhile the press pushing him to fight villains, but he still does nothing. It's kinda 50-50 of him doing all of that. Oh yes, you're right about that, re-watch again and he never shoot beams towards enemies, he's pretty much still novice in of fighting skills and abilities now but YC in 5 yrs after this episode is definitely far stronger than this. |
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May 12, 1:08 AM
#72
Oooh the plot thickens... After getting a better look at Yang Cheng's new costume, it does seem like he (or someone dressed like him) is the one who shot Moon at the end of episode 4. While I still can't guess why he would do something like that, the seeds have been planted... Tragic backstory, zero trust value, starting to live his dream only to have someone close to him killed right in front of him yet again? Not to mention the breakdown he nearly had earlier this episode- that seemed ominous. Excited to see what happens to him going forward! I wouldn't be surprised if this incident causes his trust value to plummet- maybe that'll be what sends him off the deep end? Also very fun to see the original E-Soul a bit more (very sexy I gotta say) and the sort of inner politics of the hero world. I hope we get to know more about him! Enlighter showing up again was cool too- man should've been a lawyer fr. I also like how clear they make it that this is taking place BEFORE episodes 3 and 4- the Firm Man statue is still standing, and Enlighter hasn't gone full villain mode yet. I can't wait for more episodes!!! |
May 12, 11:14 AM
#73
I think Esoul is trying to ruin yang’s reputation.. and then tried to get him killed. If e-soul actually is just an evil corrupted hero like homelander from the boys or the red keeper from go go loser ranger, then he’s clearly also capable of killing moon in ep 4 |
May 12, 5:34 PM
#74
They done it again! We know Yang cheng is just genuinely good guy but hope he will not be e-shadow, it just will infuriated his fav hero at this point. Hope he can be like the first guy and be his own self |
May 12, 6:50 PM
#75
May 12, 10:36 PM
#76
The REAL original E-soul has only 1 arm! But the dude is a scarred, grizzled, real BEAST. Unfortunately his PR management only has him doing appearances and not fighting villains anymore? So the shiny new guy is taking some of his trust value. That can't feel good. Oh no, so the blackmail attempt backfired! And whoever is behind it escalated by killing Shang Chao, who turns out really WAS his friend just all excited to show him the new mask and happened to be wearing the mask when the hired killer showed up! Initially thought he might have been manipulative but he really was just a businessman, classmate and friend! Oh no! What is going on! Why didn't he just chase after the villain that killed his friend instead of dramatically crying?? Gaaaah!!! After this episode I told myself to think of this anime like Game of Thrones and NOT get attached to any character. Not even the kid ones. Men, family, Women, children doesn't matter, they might die in that ultra violent world. |
Stormy_77May 12, 10:42 PM
May 13, 12:19 PM
#79
It doesn't quite make sense that Yang Cheng is subverting the hero that saved him. |
May 13, 5:12 PM
#80
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May 13, 11:44 PM
#81
amazing episode, i thought the song guy was villain but he wasn't |
May 14, 4:23 AM
#82
I actually had doubts about Shang Chao, thinking he might be helping Yang Cheng for a selfish reason, but he's actually a genuine friend and a fan who saw the potential of a Hero from Yang Cheng, that's why he ed him. From a careless mistake of putting the mask on, his life was taken away, how do we keep losing the good side characters in this show? Enlighter made an appearance and this time he's on our side, but when you think about it, he was always in the side of the truth, he was only hostile to Nice because he knew the Nice-Moon relationship was fake. I think Xia Qing actually likes Yang Cheng, she's just waiting for him to confess. So Yang Cheng becoming E-Soul is because the people wants to see a real hero, maybe the Original is not that active anymore and is just a celebrity and icon at this point, and someone (Yang Cheng) borrowing his identity ignited the people's trust to shift towards the new version of E-Soul (a version similar to when he goes around saving people). What would happen to Yang Cheng now... |
May 14, 1:10 PM
#83
Tbh I'm getting pretty annoyed on how they are handling almost every episode ending with a head-blood-possible fake death cliffhanger. Like c'mon it just feels overused at this point. |
May 15, 10:16 PM
#85
I was wondering about the timeline. Looks like Yang Chan's story is before Lan Ling's, but not that much earlier, perhaps even simultaneous. I wonder if we're getting origin stories for a superhero group/unit. |
May 15, 10:29 PM
#86
Uncle Rock (Boba guy) is old E-Soul and the one who had Shang Chao killed (who I don't think was the intended target). First things first, their physique looks somewhat similar from what we can see. Both are big guys with big chests, and the age would match up as we know E-Soul is older. What is E-Soul's critique from fans? That he hasn't been fighting enough recently. Why is that? Because he's been living life normally, taking care of Yang Cheng, and running the Boba shop (and probably something else that we will learn later on). When we first meet Rock, it's him talking to Yang Cheng about the E-Soul performance coming up. He tells him not to worry about the money and focus on the performance. Would a struggling Boba stop shore owner tell him not to worry about the money? Seems kind of noteworthy. This is also how he would know about Pomelo - he saw him in the crowd when he asked the crowd what they thought of Yang Cheng's performance, and Pomelo started ripping it apart. He also probably saw them via camera or something at the gathering with all the E-Souls when Pomelo and Xia Qing were waiting for him at the exit. He also knows the two brothers who kidnap Pomelo as they were running deliveries for him. From the small view they show it looks like the one brother is the one who kills Shang Chao as well. Rock knows Shang Chao as he's the one who recommended he work with Yang Cheng as his agent/manager. There's also a few suspect quotes - when they're in the Boba shop when YC gets his powers Rock says "since I had the honor of tying your strings of fate, how about you help me?" and then the scene at the Boba shop when Yang Cheng is announced innocent, right before he talks to Xia Qing in the rain, they show Rock talking to the guy in the store who says "Back in my day E-Soul had to earn his fame by fight after fight" or something like that, and Rock says "Times have changed. We gotta get used to the new rules of the game." I don't think this scene was for nothing. Tl;dr, I think Yang Chen's uncle is the original E-Soul |
May 15, 11:28 PM
#87
Reply to dragynfaerie
I was wondering about the timeline. Looks like Yang Chan's story is before Lan Ling's, but not that much earlier, perhaps even simultaneous. I wonder if we're getting origin stories for a superhero group/unit.
@dragynfaerie The story for this show is told in a non-linear manner and possibly backwards. The timeline for E-Soul's arc is 5 years before Lin Lings. At the beginning of each arc, it tells you what year the event takes place in (ie. XX year after commission). |
May 16, 1:06 PM
#88
May 17, 5:13 AM
#89
This story is already much better than Nice's story, the writing and pace is better, even though it is still a bit fast for my liking probably due to the 4 episodes they have to tell the story. Two things that bothered me are: - switching to 2D just for the sake of it, it doesn't seem to be a particular reason behind the choice to do a certain scene that way. It's been used for entire fights, parts of a single fight, flashbacks, backstories, turning points - how does law works in this world? The false charges should be pursued by a prosecutor or some kind of police captain, but he defends himself and proves his innocence in front of ESoul's manager. It feels like they mixed two different cases, one for copyright infringement and the other for organizing the abduction. |
May 17, 4:04 PM
#90
Reply to DonghuaFan
@dragynfaerie The story for this show is told in a non-linear manner and possibly backwards. The timeline for E-Soul's arc is 5 years before Lin Lings. At the beginning of each arc, it tells you what year the event takes place in (ie. XX year after commission).
@DonghuaFan thanks. I seeing the year but I couldn't rember Lan Ling's. Thanks |
May 27, 12:12 PM
#92
Reply to Camoboi1
That ending was unexpected!!😳😳
@Camoboi1 Not really unexpected. It was obvious when they drove the point home with the original Esoul guy hiding his face and giving a slow speech about hiding his identity to the media. They're just copying regular tropes and it makes sense. A hero showing his face invites trouble to his friends and family. |
May 27, 7:46 PM
#93
love it, has been keeping me around and hype me up for faithful lotm adaptation |
May 27, 11:42 PM
#94
Reply to 1List2RuleThemAl
@Camoboi1
Not really unexpected.
It was obvious when they drove the point home with the original Esoul guy hiding his face and giving a slow speech about hiding his identity to the media. They're just copying regular tropes and it makes sense.
A hero showing his face invites trouble to his friends and family.
Not really unexpected.
It was obvious when they drove the point home with the original Esoul guy hiding his face and giving a slow speech about hiding his identity to the media. They're just copying regular tropes and it makes sense.
A hero showing his face invites trouble to his friends and family.
@1List2RuleThemAl I was saying I didn't expect him to go that far. |
May 30, 9:30 PM
#95
nothing takes the thought that shang chao was the one who paid for the thugs to kidnap the child and hire yang cheng after he went viral out of mt head. and his father is probably the owner of the organization that recruited enlighter in nice's arc. (also wasn't nice's arc supposed to be chronologically happening after this? why are they calling him by the name he got when he got recruited?) and ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THESE CLIFFHANGERS WITH PEOPLE DYING EVERY OTHER EPISODE? yang cheng is a mix of deku and spiderman to me. i don't think the writing is any good in this arc, but as i said on the last one, at least it's still very pretty to look at. |
Jun 4, 2:00 AM
#96
Lmfao just when everything was going good, another character is dead. This anime with his cliffhangers... |
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
Jun 5, 4:26 AM
#97
I got a feeling that Shang Cheng was the culprit behind the kidnappers and did it to make his friend into a True E soul but now that he's dead, This theory goes out the window lol. |
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